How to avoid nuclear apocalypse: this will only take you a few minutes.

Right now the number one problem we face in the US is the fact that a) the president of the United States can not be stopped or deterred from launching nuclear missiles if he choses to do so, by design; and b) Donald Trump will be inaugurated, if the electoral college so decides, in January.

If you are in a state that has electors slated to vote for Trump. send your city and state name to this email address:

[email protected]

You will then receive instructions as to what to do next.

Pass it on.

19 Comments

  1. Rosemary Rocco

    Right now the number one problem we face in the US is the fact that a) the president of the United States can not be stopped or deterred from launching nuclear missiles if he choses to do so, by design; and b) Donald Trump will be inaugurated, if the electoral college so decides, in January.
    If you are in a state that has electors slated to vote for Trump. send your city and state name to this email address:
    [email protected]
    You will then receive instructions as to what to do next.
    Pass it on.

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  2. Thank you Greg for posting about the letter writing effort Pat Bakalian and I teamed up to organize.
    I want to emphasize that this is a DIRECTED campaign and we are asking people to do handwritten letters. The electors have been deluged with email and phone calls, with far to many of those communications being hostile or harassing.
    We are asking people to stick to the facts and the fact is voting for HRC and not DT IS the “republican” thing to do. Our first priority was electors in states with no law regarding faithless electors. Because we have had such good response, we are now sending out lists of electors in states with laws proscribing “punishment.” In nearly all it is a misdemeanor that carries and up to $1,000 fine. There are efforts quietly underway to raise money for electors who cannot afford the fine. Realistically, what our research of the electors has shown, is that most of the GOP electors are people of substantial, or considerable means, followed closely by extremists.
    What has risen for me regarding the electoral college is that most of the electors (in both parties) are from from the kind of person the electors envisioned with respect to intellect and character-again in both parties. To see that intent it is important to set the obvious racism and misogyny of the Framers to see the wisdom of their intent on electors and their actions.
    I expect you have read Federalist #68-it is illuminating. Thanks again.

  3. I bet a tenner that The Donald can not start a single nuclear weapon if the military establishment does not agree. And I bet a second tenner that there are submarine commanders out there who could start a lot of rockets with nuclear warheads. And I bet a third tenner that you are a fear monger.

  4. I wonder, Michael, if you bet more money than $30 bucks anyone would take you seriously?

  5. skeptictmac57

    I would like to add to R.R.’s comment this: My understanding is that the few “faithless” (a bad term, really) elector cases that have happened so far where someone was subject to a fine or other legal effect were ignored by the authorities, as I understand it, because it is generally assumed that those laws are easily determined as unconstitutional.
    The Constitution says what an Elector is, and what an Elector does, and those violate that in detail and spirit. No such prosecution would stand even at he lowest court. Judge Judy could overturn these laws.
    Well, maybe not Judge Judy, but close.

  6. I’ll say this, even though our constitution was written with this remedy in mind, I think that if I were one of those electors, that I would have to join something like the witness protection program for fear of what I and my family might face from that scary, armed and truculent faction of Trump’s army.
    And don’t think for a minute that he would stop short of urging for some 2nd amendment retaliation. Scary times!

  7. This whole faithless elector campaign is going to fail.
    But feel free to try anyway – that is your right as an American.
    But realize that each state appoints a slate of electors selected by the party which won the election in that state.
    So California already has democrats as electors, and can be counted on not to vote for Trump.
    On the other hand – every state which elected Donald Trump has a republican slate of electors – who can be counted on to vote for Trump.
    Sure you might get one or two to be faithless.
    There is usually one.
    But this seems pretty desperate and a bit out of touch with reality.
    Just saying.

  8. Brainstorms

    Perhaps it’s time to go back to 1981 and implement Roger Fisher’s idea for the nuclear codes.

  9. curtis goodnight

    If Donald Trump wants to fire a nuclear-tipped missile, and the military goes insubordinate and refuses…
    What does that tell us about the suitability of electing Trump to the presidency?
    And does the above scenario equal or lead to the military taking over? Should they?
    Then what?

  10. Day 2 – HRC is president . All Congress and most state legislatures are GOP. Most rural law enforcement are Fox minions, as are most armed service members. Likely the FBI as well. Although I can agree with the sentiment, I cannot see day 2 as anything but the result of the same “lets just torch the whole fecking thing and see what happens” mentality that has us in this mess now….

  11. Rung-Chuan Lin

    Brainstorms:
    What if Donald Trump doesn’t want to file a nuclear-tipped missile.
    What if instead Donald Trump wants to bomb the shit out of ISIS (I think that is a quote)?
    I suspect that will happen, as we have been doing that to Al-Qaeda for 15 years.
    That seems a little more realistic to worry about.

  12. John Simmons

    lol

  13. Harry Twinotter

    You really are a fear monger. This alone makes you an idiot.

  14. Brainstorms

    I am surprised that you are indulging in fearmongering.
    OK, the US slipped up this time. Just wait four years and get rid of him.

  15. RickA, Michael’s premise in #2 involved Donald Trump deciding to fire off a nuclear missile. In the context of the discussion thread, your response in #10 is a bit of a non-sequitur…

  16. Obstreperous Applesauce

    Brainstorms:
    Huh?
    I thought Michael’s premise was that Trump wouldn’t be able to fire off a nuclear missile.
    I must have read it wrong.

  17. Brainstorms

    Um, fear mongering vs. hyperbole, I think it’s fair to critique rhetoric on it’s effectiveness, artistic merit, and accuracy– and question when a line has been crossed. The banner photo suggests satire, which doesn’t rule out real concern. I admit I’m on the fence here.
    But consider this:https://thinkprogress.org/9-terrifying-things-donald-trump-has-publicly-said-about-nuclear-weapons-99f6290bc32a
    Consider also that this is no longer the cold war area. Thinking and memory have faded on MAD. We’re also at a point where the line between a MOAB and a nuke is blurred. And as for radiation, we already contaminate battlefields with depleted Uranium. It has become that much easier for a stunted adolescent playing at being president, who wants to be an unpredictable mad dog, to do something really stupid.
    Anyway, if nothing else we need to learn and adjust our approach on this and other issues:http://www.commondreams.org/views/2016/12/06/heads-sand

  18. Brainstorms

    It’s not the cold war area, true. Our cold war with the USSR has morphed into a “cool war” in cyberspace with Russia.
    However, we have a new kid on the block: China. That continues to edge towards a “hot war” due to Donny the Destroyer’s latest diplomatic f-up (and China now getting all uppity and hegemonistic lately).
    OA, you should readily know the difference between spend U238 on the battlefield (about as dangerous as the presence of spent lead bullets) and nuclear fission products (about as dangerous as being shot with lead bullets). If you picked up and swallowed a depleted uranium bullet, you’re likely to die.. of old age. Eventually. Cesium-137, Iodine-131, Strontium-90 will dispatch you in an unpleasant way in a matter of days if you ingest them.

  19. Obstreperous Applesauce

    N.B. That last does include the expectation that your swallowed bullet becomes the requisite “bedpan bullet” within 24 hours… We won’t let that go without saying.

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